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Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 1280	Posted - 2013.05.09 21:19:00 - [1] - Quote Pre-Crimewatch 2.0 Carebear wrote: Neutral Logistics should be attackable by everyone! Post-Crimewatch 2.0 Carebear wrote: What, I didn't mean my neutral logistics, I meant their neutral logistics! I am so terribly upset that you guys got exactly what you asked for. Shame you didn't think about what the consequences would be.
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 1282	Posted - 2013.05.09 22:54:00 - [2] - Quote Kenneth Skybound wrote: I wouldn't give two *** if logi pilots got all the same flags as the person they are repping This is literally what the system used to be prior to crimewatch 2.0 You only gained flags that were relevant to an engagement you were involved in. Shame we changed that, huh? Kenneth Skybound wrote:** @Vimsy Neutral logi used in wardecs and other high sec fights were a major issue Except no, not really because the total extent of the advantage gained by the use of neutral logistics was, and still is that they don't appear with a big red star next to their name in local. In terms of combat they behaved identically to non-neutral logistics, the complaint, therefore, was literally "I want local to provide me with perfect intel about enemy numbers". The entire "neutral logistics problem" was entirely fabricated by people who're bad as a way to rationalize why they lost fights "If they hadn't had those damned neutral logistics we'd have won that fight!" when the reality was if the logistics had not been neutral and had been seen beforehand they would have just not engaged at all. And people keep telling me it's a problem that there's not enough engagements in highsec wars. The current crimewatch system is a consequence of over-eagerness to address a problem that never actually existed. So I don't have any sympathy at all for complaints about it. You guys made your bed on this one, now you can lie in it.
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 1288	Posted - 2013.05.12 08:23:00 - [3] - Quote You misquoted there bro. But note the classic argument about neutral logistics that has literally nothing to do with the logistics being neutral. Logistics being able to dock or jump was entirely unrelated to their neutrality and bringing logistics in mid way into a fight is also unrelated to neutrality, unless I'm mistaken and logging in, undocking or warping in at 50 was totally impossible for members of corporations that are at war. Those complaints are about logistics in general and have nothing to do with neutral logistics because in combat they both functioned identically. The tactics and fleet compositions required to counter logistics of any kind were as effective against neutral logistics as non-neutral logistics. There's a reason I fly a Bhaalgorn and it's not because I like the paint job. Just to recap let's go over the complaints made and you can see if you can spot one that applied to logistics that is neutral and not logistics that is not neutral: - Logistics being able to jump and dock while repping - Logistics entering the fight after the combat ships engage - Can only be attacked by parties actually involved in the fight - Waa guardians rep so much and I can't break them! The only advantage gained by neutral logistics is their lack of presence in local, that is why people use neutral logistics. If your fleet could deal with 2 in corp guardians it would be able to deal with 2 neutral guardians just as easily. Please make an argument that is actually about the neutrality of the logistics rather than just you trying to pin blame for your losses on something other than your own ineptitude. But seriously. Maybe if you didn't want your neutral logistics to get suspect flagged you shouldn't have insisted that neutral logistics get suspect flagged while us people who know what the hell we are talking about when it comes to PVP in highsec were explaining why that would have consequences people wouldn't like.
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 1297	Posted - 2013.05.13 09:06:00 - [4] - Quote At this time I think our friend has made himself look sufficiently moronic that no further response is required.

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